Sunday, January 7, 2007

Crossroads

We've arrived at a crossroads in history. The choices are simple.

In a letter to President Bush Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate President Harry Reid said they want out of Iraq. It's over. The American people are sick of it. There is no reason and no will to keep fighting this.

At the American Enterprise Institute the same day, senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman came out for a big, sustained surge of troops into Iraq. They made the case for fighting. Key word: "Winnable." They outlined the consequences of accepting defeat. Key word: "Catastrophic."

We are sharply divided as a nation. There will be no governing by consensus. Only by hardnosed leadership. This week, we'll find out what it is going to be. Neither of our options is attractive. But that's war.

Option One: Pull out. Achieve short-term gratification for those who believe our absence from Iraq will solve our problems. Watch Iraq descend into further violence. Watch a nuclear-armed Iran come to dominate Iraq and the world's richest oil fields.

No longer a world power, discredited by our own choice, we can watch the pile of bodies mount. Maybe we'll be restored to our national senses, as we were a decade after Vietnam, when we woke up and realized we never really had the luxury of disengaging from the fight.

This time, it will be harder. It won't be so neatly contained as it was then. The only good side to this is the army gets to rest. Don't count on the Democratic Congress to refit or build it up, or to do anything but dither when we need to use it again.

More likely, a dispirited people, our army broken by defeat, we'll just wait to see who emerges as the new world power. It will be a while before there is one, and much longer before there is one we would care to live under. I predict a dark age, in which brutal second-rate powers such as Russia, China, Iran and North Korea do what they choose to whom they choose without restraint. An age of modern warlords, with no over-arching, feared power to keep them in check. We can watch the sick man that is Europe slowly succumb. We can watch small free nations try to fend for themselves. We can await the inevitable nuclear crisis.

Does that sound at all medieval or apocalyptic? It is. Don't think we can't go back to that.

Does it sound overly melodramatic and alarmist? If so, you're a fool with no understanding of history. I have bad news for you. The fight against evil in this world is business as usual. It never ends.

We've faced this kind of choice before. We have not always chosen well. You know people who lived through such a time, when the failure to act against evil early led to more horrific bloodshed later. You may have relatives who died because of that. I do. In our lifetimes, we've never been more than a few inches from the abyss, however comfortable and safe our lives seem today. If you're an adult, then you've lived through a time when the evil of communism was held at bay. But only just, and millions died. Millions remain enslaved.

Which brings us to Option Two: Fight now. Fight harder. Expend our precious blood and money now, so we don't have to spend more blood and more money later. Fight now, while we can.

They're simple choices, not easy choices. But we are fortunate. The Democratic Congress, so eager to abandon Iraq, is fortunate. The world that seems to revile us no matter what we do is also fortunate. Because it will not be their decision.

We have a president who understands what is at stake. This week he will tell us what it is going to be. All signs indicate he recognizes the mistakes of the past, errors such as are often made in war, and he intends to do what is right. That would be the harder choice, to fight now, when we are tired and feel spent. But, as another American once said, we have not yet begun to fight.

It is his decision to make, and it will fall to a small number of our fellow Americans to execute. It falls to each of us to join the fight in the best way we can. We can be grateful that we still have men and women who are willing to face death for us, who make their choice every day. We are very fortunate to have them. Because Option One, accepting surrender and defeat, is no option at all.

Crossposted at Boston Herald here.

A shout out to my friend Paco and the son he raised, who is now a United States Marine.

Related:

Ralph Peters at the New York Post notices a swab is taking over CentCom and he thinks he knows why. Iran.

On that subject, here's my Jan. 4 post, "Iran Wants War." Iran just doesn't want to fight it. Iran's campaign to sow chaos and create the conditions for our failure in Iraq.

here's my Dec. 27 post about naval forces moving into place for a possible attack on Iran's WMD and air defense sites, with ground surge to protect our flank in Iraq from Iran's proxies there. Stuff Happening.

DEBKAfile has Bush on an all out push: "President George W. Bush is poised to stake every US resource to hand on a no-holds-barred military operation all the way to victory in Iraq, after first bringing Baghdad under control. The chips should all be lined up by the time he goes public next week on his new strategy for Iraq and the Middle East at large."

Times of London has the Israelis ready for a tactical nuke strike on Iranian nuke facilities. A tad ironic, but it works for me. Again, I doubt we'll see Israeli involvement. Update: Israelis say its bunk.

Tigerhawk thinks the Dems are trying to be clever:
"Given that the surge does not preclude the option of withdrawal down the road, why are the Democrats pushing so hard right now? I think it is because they believe that they have a shot at winning the White House in 2008, and that their chances are enhanced if we withdraw today. Why? First, if we withdraw during 2007 Democratic candidates will not then have to engage in their own civil war over what to do about Iraq or come off like yellow-bellies in the general election. Second, if after American withdrawal Iraq melts down into a genuine bloodbath that causes voters to wish we had stayed in, the Democrats hope that voters will blame Republicans."


Flopping Aces excerpts Tom Snodgrass' examination of historic American warfighting doctrine that is directly relevant to our problems today. Read it.

Don Surber totals up the direct costs of surrender:
...the penalty for early withdrawal is cataclysmic. The Fall of Saigon led to 2 million deaths in Cambodia alone. Stopping short of Baghdad 16 years ago cost a quarter-million lives directly, plus whatever number of deaths they tag on to the Oil for Food scandal.

Childish demands for "Peace Now" ignore history and reality and the welfare of the Iraqi people.

And our own soldiers. We could have had Iraq for free in 1991. What's it cost us to return? 3,000 lives? A half-trillion dollars?


Dan Riehl thinks our differences, our choices and the consequences are not so dire as I've painted them. We'll muddle through somehow.

Pelosi won't support funding for more troops if Bush surges. Good. So we get to have a debate on the merits of surrender, and see whether Americans prefer quitting to winning. So the Dems have to take responsiblity for defeat and for undercutting American troops in the field. Pelosi's pro-surrender instincts have not served her well so far, with her support for leading Defeatocrat John Murtha for majority leader.

The guy who beat Murtha, Steny Hoyer, meanwhile, says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The Dem Cong leadership better figure out what their message is going to be, if they plan on exerting any kind of leadership. Iran won't be disarmed short of military action. Iraq is a playground for Iranian proxies. Iraq, in any action against Iran, is our flank. You want to deal with Iran? You have to deal with Iraq. It's that simple.

Gateway: Pelosi makes preparations for Iraqi Killing Fields.

74 comments:

DonSurber said...

Beautiful piece.

Heather said...

I too watched the AEI podcast today. It was most impressive. Kagan, Keane, McCain and Lieberman all made extremely cogent and intelligent remarks.

I keep saying: George W Bush is a great man, and he will one day be compared to Churchill. Yep, even WITH his difficulty in communicating. He knows what is important. Pelosi and Reid should concentrate on the drapes in their new offices, and shut up.

Bill Faith said...

Excerpted and linked. I've made my attitude about the situation quite plain in the past and will continue to do so. Iran has been at war with the civilized
world since 1979. It's time to do what needs done.

DRJ said...

Beautifully written. I hope this post is remembered as a call to arms and not an obituary.

alphie said...

Yow!

America is borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars a year from "brutal, second rate power" China to keep our economy from crashing...and we seem to still be alive.

Sam Pender said...

We fight wars that we may live in peace-Aristotle

That doesn't mean peace forever or peace all over, just
some amount of peace for some
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the war waged to sustain or provide that peace

Buddy said...

Alphie, please, either learn some history and econonomics, or realize that the campaigns were over as of Nov 7 and it's no longer necessary to be half-baked or damfool.

Pierre Legrand said...

Well we can hope that some willpower has been found. What worries me is our governments inability to define the enemy. We are told that the enemy is an extreme misinterpretation of Islam. We are told this by people inside of the Government who don't know the difference between Shiite and Sunni branch's of Islam. We are told by "intelligence" agencies that those sects cannot work together. We are told that Islam is a religion of peace. Our officials act as if Islam is merely another form of Christianity going through growing pains...some of our intellectuals, Ralph Peters springs to mind, act as if Islam merely is awaiting reformation. Never mentioning the fact that Islams reformation is likely to go in a direction which promises to make it even more of a bane on civilized society...meaning it will respect less the rights of man.

Yea I hope that we commit to winning in Iraq. But I doubt that anything less than New York City being reduced to embers will see us actually understanding that the war we are in is merely an extension of the 1400 years of war that Islam has waged since its founder raided caravans.

buck smith said...

While I support the current war in Iraq and supported going to Baghadad and overthrowing Hussein in 1991, I do not think we could have gotten Iraq for "free" in 1991. As this time, there would have been guerrilla resistance, prisoner-abuse scandals, meddling by Iran and many years of effort to stand up a free Iraq.

Infidel753 said...

Pierre Legrand mentioned an important point. There is a reformation going on in Islam, and it's people like bin Laden and the Taliban who are leading it. They're trying to purge Islam of the accretion of compromises and accomodations which have enabled it to go along to get along in the world, and return it to its true jihadist essence -- the essence which fueled centuries of wars of aggression in earlier Islamic history.

rogerz said...

It seems to me that there is third alternative: to forgo the "forward strategy of freedom" (which is misnamed, since the administration really means the forward strategy of democracy), and approach this war as we did WWII: as a straightforward exercise is hegemonic domination. This would mean using all military means available and necessary to completely subdue Iran, without regard to the absurdities of "just war theory" and international "law".

I am not a military expert, but I have observed that many of the difficulties faced by our brave soldiers in Iraq have been the direct result of confused and contradictory rules of engagement, putting these men in the impossible situation of deciding who is friend and foe on a split second basis, where the cost of a wrong decision is their own life or that of their comrades. If freed of these ridiculous (and unconscionable) constraints, I have no doubt that our military would acheive all of our political objectives with the minimum threat to American lives, which is the only moral strategy in war.


Further, directing this assault against Iran would mitigate the need for further occupation of Iraq, both because Iran is the single most important cause of our troubles in Iraq, and because of the demonstration effect on Syria and other rogue states in the region (not to mention North Korea). Demonstrating unrelenting resolve against the Mullahs is the essential step to ending this war on our terms in the shortest possible time. We would establish a military dictatorship there, as we did in Japan and Germany after WWII, and leave only after we had installed the institutions and people necessary to guarantee that the threat was gone.

Otherwise, any "surge" in Iraqi troops is a waste of blood and treasure

RebeccaH said...

If we give up now, it was all for nothing, and we'll pay for generations. That's the bottom line.

F Ron Miller said...

Though provoking post. I wish you had elaborated your second point as much as your first. It left me with the impression that you didn't care to acknowledge all the ramifications of Option 2 as you did Option 1. I'm sure that wasn't the case. Surely, Option 2 would be as excruciating and trying as Option 1 yes?

Pete said...

Hasn't Lieberman been saying for years that we are winning in Iraq and that our Iraq policies are working, and even that we could start bringing our troops home in 2007. Please. Before you start quoting Lieberman, please mention that he has a long history of being wrong on Iraq. Incidentally today Republican Senator Lindsey Graham (no leftie) said that things have gotten worse in the past two years and that we are not winning.

The "surge" is the last straw that these warmongers are clinging to. Sometimes I wish that they get the "surge" so that their policies are discredited decisively (note that they lost in 2006 despite painting the opposition as cowardly, cut and run, and the party of surrender).

The warmongers have not been able to successfully conclude war with one country (for which Bush got a blank check, and for which we have already burned hundreds of billions of dollars and where our involvement has been longer than our involvement in World War 2) and yet they are already itching for war with Syria and Iran.

Purple Avenger said...

America is borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars a year from "brutal, second rate power" China

Curious that the PRC has more faith in the USA than you do isn't it?

gavin said...

This is a bleak posting which I can understand but I think it ignores the reality of the "second rate" powers suchas Israel deciding maybe it would plant its own back pack nukes in Iran & Syria and see how they like assymetrical warfare. Victor Davis Hanson had it right that if old islam wants to fight with the same western civilization that gave us the atom bomb,the holocaust and carpet bombing, by all means. We didn't get this far because we are made of sugar candy. We will defend ourselves at their expense regardless who is in power here.

Buddy Larsen said...

So, Pete, you don't believe that the 'small war' we are in is an attempt to avoid 'big war' later on?

The counter evidence is how certainly past 'big wars' might've been avoided with earlier 'small war'. Think, finishing Hitler in the 30s, rather than the 40s.

So, I'm curious, since merely using the word isn't really persuasive, what is your evidence, your historical analogy, that your own position is not the *actual* 'warmonger'?

Buddy Larsen said...

WWII was the Good War, we covered ourselves in glory, we vanquished the murdering fascists. WWII also wrecked much of the globe, and killed 60,000,000 human beings. Most hostorians believe it could've been prevented for the tiniest fraction of the blood & treasure, had the free world not waited until it had no other choice but to either surrender to the murder-ideologists, or mobilize & go total war.

Given that the apocalyptic ideology wedded to competition for scarce raw materials is even greater now than then, don't you think, Pete, that the hard-won and time-proven open-market system of ideas and resource allocation is the world's best chance to avoid another such world war?

And, if you haven't thought these things through, then isn't it you (rather than the 'warmongers') who carelessly rolls the dice and hopes for the best--against all odds, and against the plain facts of history and human nature?

Jim said...

Well written......and scary. Read the article about Israel planning a nuclear attack against Iran...sounds do-able but also very scary. There is no short, sweet, neat end to this mess.

DeathtotheSwiss said...

Juliani for President, Lieberman for Vice President, McCain for Secretary of Defense

alphie said...

I have faith in Americans, PA.

They were smart enough to put President Pelosi in charge when it became obvious the neocons had no idea what they're doing...

As for using violence to stop violence...well, it had it's chance.

Change the course!

Buddy said...

Alphie, if the directions were written on the heel, do you reckon you'd have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot?

Pierre Legrand said...

The warmongers have not been able to successfully conclude war with one country (for which Bush got a blank check, and for which we have already burned hundreds of billions of dollars and where our involvement has been longer than our involvement in World War 2) and yet they are already itching for war with Syria and Iran.

There are no warmongers in office these days. A good case could be made that President Bush for all of his qualities he was no warmonger. Indeed you treehugging peaceatallcost hippy's should be thanking your lucky stars he defused the huge majority of Jacksonians in this country. He did this by going to a limited war and convincing us Jacksonians that he was serious about taking the war to all of our enemies. He tried to negoitiate the ground between our positions and in doing so has nearly failed.

I am a pessimist I do not believe this surge will accomplish anything because we do not have the will to defend ourselves yet. It will come. When it does those of us who want revenge for the next attack will look to the 5th column in this country first. Life will get very ugly in this country but perhaps when we push out the other end of this next birthing canal we will be stronger and the world will be one short of a violent religion and one short of the latest muddleheaded political religion known as leftism.

Pete said...

So, Pete, you don't believe that the 'small war' we are in is an attempt to avoid 'big war' later on?

No I do not. Period. And since this is the crux of your argument, the burden is on you to prove your hypothesis, and it is impossible to predict the future.

Infact we are at greater risk due to the Iraq war by destabilizing the mid east, and by making Iraq a hotbed of anti-US terrorism.

Purple Avenger said...

In fact we are at greater risk due to the Iraq war by destabilizing the mid east, and by making Iraq a hotbed of anti-US terrorism.

So your "solution" is to bug out and ENSURE that happens. Right?

Pete said...

A good case could be made that President Bush for all of his qualities he was no warmonger. Indeed you treehugging peaceatallcost hippy's should be thanking your lucky stars he defused the huge majority of Jacksonians in this country. He did this by going to a limited war and convincing us Jacksonians that he was serious about taking the war to all of our enemies. He tried to negoitiate the ground between our positions and in doing so has nearly failed.

I really do not know which "Jacksonians" you are referring to, but:
1) The Iraq war was sold on gloom and doom WMD and mushroom cloud scenarios.
2) A majority of the people now feel that the Iraq war was a mistake.

Had Bush been serious about taking the war to our enemies, he would have finished Afghanistan (a war which incidentally I supported) and have apprehended Bin-laden.

Mike Griswald said...

Fight now. Fight harder. Expend our precious blood and money now, so we don’t have to spend more blood and more money later.

Indeed. Noble, stirring words. It's about time someone expressed the need for real sacrifice. So, since you won't be expending any of your precious blood, what exactly are you willing to sacrifice? Money? A tax cut, maybe? Precious bumper sticker space? What'll it be?

Of course, perhaps you were just using the rhetorical "our."

Purple Avenger said...

The Iraq war was sold on gloom and doom WMD and mushroom cloud scenarios.

That may be true or not. It matters little how we got here anymore, because as Buckaroo Banzai said: "Wherever you go, there you are".

This is the war we got TODAY.

DeathtotheSwiss said...

No I do not. Period. And since this is the crux of your argument, the burden is on you to prove your hypothesis, and it is impossible to predict the future.

Infact we are at greater risk due to the Iraq war by destabilizing the mid east, and by making Iraq a hotbed of anti-US terrorism.


Is a cop predicting the future when he arrests someone who has made verbal threats to the life of another? No, they take the person at their word and do their job to protect the innocent.

And...are you actually trying to tell us the Middle East was "stable" before we invaded Iraq????? Please give your definition of stable because I'll be sure to update my dictionary.

Pete said...

Is a cop predicting the future when he arrests someone who has made verbal threats to the life of another? No, they take the person at their word and do their job to protect the innocent.

You cannot prosecute someone of committing a murder before the murder has actually been committed.

And...are you actually trying to tell us the Middle East was "stable" before we invaded Iraq????? Please give your definition of stable because I'll be sure to update my dictionary.

There are degrees of stability/instability. And the Iraq war has made and will make things a lot worse for us.

If you want a definition of stability you could ask Brent Scowcroft (National Security Advisor under Bush, Sr) who in Aug 4 2002 warned that "a unilateral invasion of Iraq could destabilize the Middle East and undermine efforts to defeat international anti-American militant groups.".

Pete said...

So your "solution" is to bug out and ENSURE that happens. Right?

There are no good solutions.

And I am not saying that it will happen. I am saying that it has already happened. We have already lost over 3000.

chuck b. said...

"We have a president who understands what is at stake."

Do we really?

Tender said...

Throw more lives and dollars into the maw of defeat. Create an ever more ruinous future. Stupid war. Criminal leaders. Stupidly, criminally stubborn.

Pete said...

Option 2 proposed by Jules is eerily similar to the Iraq war option presented before the Iraq war.

Infact the piece could well have been written 4 years ago (with some minor substitutions).

To paraphrase the author seems to be saying: GLOOM and DOOM if you don't escalate the war, and furthermore you are a fool if you don't agree with my analysis

The problem is that the US public has taken a hard look at the Iraq war and concluded that the war was not worth it.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. We don't get fooled again.

directorblue said...

Excellent post. What could possibly go wrong with retreat from the Middle East just as a madman with messianic delusions gains access to nuclear weapons?

Democrats deserve harsh scrutiny of their vision for the Middle East as they advocate their codewords for surrender (hints: "phased", "redeployment", and "increased scrutiny of the Iraq War budget").

And consider this a manual trackback.

Purple Avenger said...

I am saying that it has already happened. We have already lost over 3000.

12,000 dead invading Okinawa. I guess we should have stopped short then right?

Buddy Larsen said...

The copperheads were all over Lincoln to quit, too. If he'd listened, where would we be?

DeathtotheSwiss said...

Pete would have slaves. I'd have been born in Ireland.

Pete said...

12,000 dead invading Okinawa. I guess we should have stopped short then right?

No, but you are comparing apples and oranges.

Repeated attempts by right-wingers to equate Iraq to WW2 does not make them the same.

Iraq is/was a third world country and the US is the sole superpower. Our population is ten times the population of Iraq. Our technology is way, way, way better than Iraq's. Before the war began we controlled 2/3 of Iraq's airspace.

Despite a barebone coalition we still had with us countries like UK, Spain, Italy. Iraq had on its side no country.

This was no WW2.

Pete said...

And another comment about historic perspective.

We withdrew from Vietnam and yet we remained a world power.

The author's comments about us losing our superpower status are just gloom and doom. There is a term for it - raising FUD (fear, uncertainity, and doubt).

Buddy Larsen said...

Well, Pete, at least you straightened out the 'unilateral' assertion.

Look, no one said OIF was WWII--it's a principal that is being invoked--a principal, as opposed to a blanket assertions.

Is it really necessary to repeat here for the jillionth time the list of threats coming at the west from the jihad, or to repeat the list of attacks already made?

Can you make all that go away by asserting the "FUD" doctrine--which you yourself use as your basic device?

As I said earlier, it's attitudes such as yours that get us into really big wars, and unlike you, I can point to history.

I don't like this war, either, Pete. I hate it, I hate death and destruction and misery and fear. If I'd known 911 and the rest was coming ten years ago, I'd've been screaming for us to do something, anything, to head it off.

What makes you think you have discovered some exalted sensibility that allows you to understand that war is bad?

Hell, EVERYBODY knows war is bad.

That's NOT the POINT of a war, to be fun & games. The point is to defeat, not be defeated by, an enemy.

This particular enemy declared on US, Pete--don't you understand that?

That's why it so sucks that any jihadi can listen to folks like you and decide that whoa, he's winning, no need to quit jihading now, not with half the Americans listening to their domestic-politics-playing leadership, and deciding to bail on the mideast, and leave the jihad with what it wants--full control over OPEC and the power to dictate terms to an energy-starved world?

This isn't rocket science, Pete. Unless you're a jihadi yourself, you need to understand where your emotions and your wishful thinking leave off, and the real world that the rest of us want to leave for the next generation, begins.

Now, it's your turn, you can announce some more blue-sky assertions.

Buddy Larsen said...

"And another comment about historic perspective.

We withdrew from Vietnam and yet we remained a world power."

If I was up to the typing, I'd describe some of actual, on-the-ground results of Vietnam for you. But please, look into the 70s a bit, would you? Look into what happened in southeast Asia, and the middle east, as a result of America's "Vietnam Syndrome".

No, Pete, your verbal formulations may satisfy your purposes, but they have little relationship to the real world--other than the fact that such thinking just won the US Congress, alas.

Buddy Larsen said...

I don't mean to be a jerk, and I could care less about fencing on a blog. But this is serious stuff, totally aside from whomever might be president now or next. I wish to gawd you guys could find a way to play your politics WHILE also admitting what you MUST know is happening in the rest of the world.

Luther McLeod said...

I know you abhor notice BL. But damn well done. The only long view these folks have is the next iteration of x-box, bandwidth or myspace. No connection whatsoever to the real world. The results of our present education system.

Buddy Larsen said...

Hey, Luther, LTNS--happy new year!

Maybe since you were in the damn thing, you could explain something about Vietnam, and also why the re-up rates today are so high, what with OIF being such a mistake.

Or is it that the guys fighting over there just don't understand that there's nothing at stake?

Buddy Larsen said...

"...and it is impossible to predict the future."

fatuous nonsense. You predict the future every time you don't jump off a cliff, or don't stick a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Pete said...

This particular enemy declared on US, Pete--don't you understand that?

Which enemy are you referring to? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

If you are referring to the Afghanistan war I'd say sure - you have a point.

Pete said...

If I was up to the typing, I'd describe some of actual, on-the-ground results of Vietnam for you. But please, look into the 70s a bit, would you? Look into what happened in southeast Asia, and the middle east, as a result of America's "Vietnam Syndrome".

No, Pete, your verbal formulations may satisfy your purposes, but they have little relationship to the real world--other than the fact that such thinking just won the US Congress, alas.


This is just bizarre. You folks talk a lot about history. But when reminded that history directly contradicts one of the main points that you try to make (namely that withdrawing from a country did not result in loss of our superpower status) you accuse me of being out of touch.

Truly bizarre.

Luther McLeod said...

Don't you understand Pete. We could lose 5 more wars and still be the world's superpower. That is not the point. It is the damage to the world that occurs when the left and its MSM cohorts manage to stop the US from doing the right thing. I don't care about the US being a superpower, I care about the 2-3 million in SE Asia who died when we did not keep our word.


When defeatist such as yourself enabled, engendered and essentially sided with the enemy. Ah never-mind, what's the use.

Pete said...

We could lose 5 more wars and still be the world's superpower. That is not the point.

Um, I thought that was the original author's point.

It is the damage to the world that occurs when the left and its MSM cohorts manage to stop the US from doing the right thing.

Bush got a blank check in Iraq for almost four years (more than four years if you include the pre-war planning and preparations). Nobody stopped Bush from doing anything during those four years. He got all the men and money he asked for. It was his war to plan and execute the way he wanted to. If you want to assign blame, don't scapegoat the left or the media, the buck stops at Bush's desk.

When defeatist such as yourself enabled, engendered and essentially sided with the enemy. Ah never-mind, what's the use.

Why just me? It was the US voters who voted for the defeatists. It was the US voters who just sided with US's enemies. And it was the US voters who enabled the enemy. Bush and the Republicans clearly warned us in 2006, but the US voters seem to love their enemies.

Your rehtoric is so sky high, come to the ground and smell the roses.

Buddy said...

"Iraq had nothing to do with 911"

Pete, forgive me, but that is utterly disingenuous and unless you are a fool, you know it.

It's a political statement, that's all it is, which announces that in lieu of a photo of bin Laden & Saddam holding hands, the left gets to make up whatever it wants against its enemy (which happens to be their elected president, rather than the terrorist jihadis).

So fine, use your word "Superpower" to wipe away
1) the Pershing Missile/SS-20 crisis,
2) the assassination attempt of the Pope,
3) hundreds of thousands murdered in attempted USSR subversions in Central America (I was there)
4) millions of human beings (just like you), formerly protected by USA but murdered in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam after a newly-elected Democratic congress cut off aid,
5) the Jihadi takeover of Iran in 1979 which began the war we are in now,
6) the USSR's march to the Persian Gulf through Afghanistan, and the million who died there,
7) the Iran/Iraq war in which another million died,
8) Saddam himself who killed another half million of his own,
9) and much else that brevity forfends, that all can be laid at the feet of a global instability that was what it was because USA was what USA was, after the self-inflicted wound of Vietnam.

And now you want to reprise the whole sordid scene, sacrifice another lord-knows how many human beings, throw a world system--just finally learning thru global trade how to feed and raise up the lives of the poor & hungry--into an unimaginable economic depression, and all that rather than spend one damn evening with a book or two, learning how things connect in the world.

Truly bizarre is right.

Buddy Larsen said...

And as far as the length of time we have been engaged, the fact that it is such a major bulwark of your argument just proves that you don't really one.

For example, five minutes is a short time to run the Boston Marathon, but a long time to have a dental drill in a live nerve.

Ten years is a long time to stand on one leg, but a short time for a Beluga Whale to swim in the sea.

How high is up?

This war has been put upon us, and either we fight it or we don't.

If it's going to take 10 or 20 or 50 years, should we just surrender now, pull back to our shores, stand in our bread lines, and wait for enemies with oil to overtake our industry and come for us?

You won on Nov 7 so I guess it's your call.

But at least remember, and admit, how badly you--your mindset--screwed the free world back in the 70s.

Miss O'Hara said...

Superb. So excellent I had to quote a healthy chunk of it in my own blog.

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